Truth In Gold

UntitledI will post current articles on gold and silver that I believe are relevant to exposing the truth about the precious metals market.

Where Is The Gold Coming From: Rory Hall/Keith Barron (The Daily Coin)

China’s Love For Gold: You Ain’t Seen Nothing Yet – (Frank Holmes – Daily Reckoning)
“It Should Be Clear Why Gold Is Better” – (Jim Grant/Kitco)
China Seeks To Make India It’s Largest Partner On The SGE – (Bullionstar)
Is China hiding its central bank gold in its commercial banks? (Mineweb.com)
As Yields Have Gone Negative, Gold Has Become a High Yielding Asset! – (Jordan Roy-Byrne)
Is Russia Planning A Gold-Based Currency? (Mises.org)
Massive Gold Withdrawal From Shanghai Gold Exchange In January – (Bullionstar)
Russia Stashes 55 Tonnes Of Gold In Switzerland – (Mining.com)
This hedge fund heavyweight could be holding US$6 billion in gold – (CEO Canada)
Gold Imports To India Surged In 2014 – (Bloomberg News)
BOOM: SGE Withdrawals Week 3, 2015: 71 tonnes! (Koos Jansen)
GFMS Reports Chinese Gold Trade Volume Incorrect By 100% (Koos Jansen)
China’s SGE Gold Withdrawals Already 202 Tonnes In Just 3 Weeks
This is Suspicious to Say the Least – Show Me the GOLD! (The Daily Coin)

Latest: Chinese Banks To Join London Gold Fix – (Financial Times)

6 thoughts on “Truth In Gold

  1. Mr. Kranzler; I just discovered this site. I am a big fan of PC Roberts and show the Jan. 17, 2014 article about gold manipulation which you wrote with him on page 58 of my book ‘How to Protect and Grow Your Wealth’ which is on Amazon.com . The text of it (and 2 other books) is at parts 1 and 2 in the left margin of my site forward-usa.org. See my articles at part 8. Also see my ‘business’ site SaferInvesting.org.

    Comments?
    Regards, Dave
    Madison, WI

  2. “Learn all theories and dominate all techniques, but when touching a human soul be just another human soul”. Carl Gustav Jung.

    With this thought by a man who saw so clearly through the window of the human soul – I start this message for the renewal of hope at the beginning of new year, addressing it to friends and acquaintances who are responsible leaders and scholars.
    “Rotary will continue to be charitable, but it can do more than that. Let us make Rotary exterminate the cause that makes charity necessary”. This pearl of thinking by our founder Paul Harris was published in “The Rotarian” magazine of August 1916.

    This time I looked for help, in references from world leaders and thinkers, to profit from their rich experiences, so as to enrich this text of reflections at the beginning of the New Year. It is always useful to remember the sensible message of:
    Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274): “Beware of the person of one book”.
    “Copy from one, it’s plagiarism; copy from two, it’s research.” – Wilson Mizner (1876-1933)
    “The most valuable of all talents is never using two words when one will do.” – Thomas Jefferson
    “Great scholars are skeptics” – Friedrich Nietzsche
    “Fanaticism is the only form or willpower available to the weak” – Friedrich Nietzsche
    ”Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings”. John F. Kennedy

    Since a young age I was fascinated by the market economy – a system where the producer, isolated, does not take part in the evaluation of his product – it is the forces of supply and demand that will determine the value-price. This ethics, which exists also in the law of cause and effect for human activity, is self-applicable
    “Smith did make one claim that, in his day, was the most important claim that he made. It laid the foundation of modern economic theory. He claimed that the free market system is autonomous. It would exist apart from legislation by the state. He called this “the system of natural liberty.” He described how the free market would work if the state did not intervene to pass special-interest legislation that benefited one group or another. What Rousseau claimed for the General Will, Smith claimed for the free market. But Rousseau’s General Will needed a representative institution to express itself. Smith’s theory of the free market was its own interpreter. Gary North
    So, the market economy is something magical, that must be pursued in an obstinate way – it was devalued, however, by a system that does not offer equal opportunities for all.
    Let us see how we can rescue it.
    We can find in Thomas Aquinas – XIII century – the seeds of the free market. One of the main representatives of scholastics (medieval philosophical line with a Christian foundation), he founded the thomist school of philosophy and theology, which thrived at the university of Salamanca in the XVI century.
    “The value of an article, does not depend on its essential nature but on the estimation of men, even if that estimation is foolish.” – Variarum (1554) – Diego de Covarrubias y Leiva (1512-1577) – bishop of Segovia
    In the XVII century William Petty (1623-1687), the father of classical economic analysis, wrote two essays that revolutionized economic thought in his time: a “Treaty on Taxes and Contributions”, in 1662 and “Political Arithmetics”, in 1690.
    All of this orchestra of contributions was beautifully condensed in the works of Adam Smith, who marked the conscience, the soul and the heart of his generation and subsequent ones. The ethics contained in the entrails of the free market is the real reason that drives me to passionately defend the free market economy.

    “Since time immemorial two political systems have confronted one another and both have good arguments to support them” “According to one, the state has to do a great deal, but it also has to take a great deal. According to the other, its twin action should be little felt. A choice has to be made between these two systems.” – nineteenth-century economist, Frédéric Bastiat
    “The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution” – “Economics deals with real man, weak and subject to error as he is, not with ideal beings omniscient and perfect as only gods could be”. Von Mises

    “Neoliberalism appears to be little more than a justification for plutocracy” “What they call “the market” looks more like the interests of corporations and the ultra-rich”. “It strikes me that the entire structure of neoliberal thought is a fraud. The demands of the ultra-rich have been dressed up as sophisticated economic theory and applied regardless of the outcome. The complete failure of this world-scale experiment is no impediment to its repetition. This has nothing to do with economics. It has everything to do with power”. George Monbiot
    ”Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If your goal is to keep poor people poor, generation after generation, you should promote socialism. But be sure to call it economic democracy in order to fool the voters”. Gary North
    “The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization”. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “We must understand that capitalism was created to deal with money, not with human beings”. Maxwell Vitor
    “Capitalism is nothing but the spontaneous interactions of individuals, free from the fetters of the state. Capitalism happens when no other system is forced upon a populace. It is as natural as the seasons and gravity”. Bart Frazier – Program Director – The Future of Freedom Foundation
    “Capitalism is a banquet in which only the bones are left for the poor”. Pierre de souza
    “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the belief in ignorance and the preaching of envy. Its inherent flaw is the egalitarian distribution of misery”. Winston Churchill
    “Rich peasants have a strong propension to capitalism”. Mao Tse-Tung
    “The market does not have a conscience or mercy”. Octavio Paz, mexican poet Nobel Prize in literature, 1990
    “The market came with the dawn of civilization and it is not an invention of capitalism. If it leads to improving the well-being of the people there is no contradiction with socialism. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “We are evolving to socialism, a system which, as they say, only works in Heaven, where it is not needed, and in Hell, where it already exists”. Ronald Reagan

    ”All hope abandon, ye who enter here”!(at Hell´s door) Lasciate ogni speranza voi che entrate! Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
    “The disadvantage of capitalism is the unequal distribution of riches; the advantage of socialism is the equal distribution of miseries”. Winston Churchill

    “There is no greatness where there is no simplicity, goodness and truth”– Leon Tolstoi.
    “For a world in which we are socially equal, humanly different and totally free”. Rosa Luxemburgo

    ”Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration”. Abraham Lincoln
    This truth must be rescued by all the zombies who are wandering, lost and disconnected from the basic concepts of economy.
    “Everything the Communists told us about communism was a complete and utter lie. Unfortunately, everything the Communists told us about capitalism turned out to be true”. – World Bank staffer John Nellis

    Capitalism and socialism were bitter medicines in the history of mankind, and they are no longer valid, nowadays
    “Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man. Socialism is the opposite of it”. Millôr Fernandes
    Government is an institution that invariably spends more than it collects, either because of the high social demand in societies with concentrated income, or because of a perverse desire to feed the military might in rich societies.
    Government is an institution economically impractical, because its revenues and expenditures shall be determined by acts of human will. Economics is a science whose techniques are valid and applicable when the will of economic agents is limited by the natural law of supply and demand
    “A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), Inaugural Address, January 20, 1953

    The real need for government intervention is in the fact that 3 sectors: agriculture, health and education cannot walk alone – The government needs to pump resources into these 3 sectors – something necessary, even if inefficient. Under the current rules, the reduction of government intervention in the economy would considerably increase the distance between poor and rich.
    The complexity of modern societies cannot be managed by central planners. The so-called democratic centralism is pure sophistry, that appeals only to autocratic rulers.
    Whatever the concept that one may have of democracy, the fate of citizens cannot depend on the virtue of their rulers.

    Dictatorships or strong regimes are defended only by those who would like to be lashing the whip; whenever placed on the other side, they will stand for democracy emphatically.

    “The State is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else.” Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)
    “The problem has been developing for many years: a sort of economic alcoholism in which society has depended upon government to solve all its problems. Governments have promised to do away with unemployment, to eradicate poverty, to mitigate the pain of old age and sickness, even to ease the consequences of banking and business mistakes. Such irresistible promises! It was exactly what everyone wanted. We became economic alcoholics, dependent on government, and have had no concept of who will pay the price for this happy addiction.” Von Mises – (from a speech at Athens College in 1984)
    “There is only one kind of freedom and that’s individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it”. Ron Paul

    “Don’t forget what I discovered that over ninety percent of all national deficits from 1921 to 1939 were caused by payments for past, present, and future wars”. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    “People do not make wars; governments do”. Ronald Reagan

    “Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets”. Ronald Reagan

    “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!” Ronald Reagan

    “Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies. From these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, debts and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few…. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare”. James Madison, the principal architect of the U.S. Constitution – 1795

    “We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” – Louis Brandeis – U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1856-1941)
    “Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions – it only guarantees equality of opportunity.” – Irving Kristol

    “We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added”.
    Ronald Reagan
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government”. Thomas Jefferson

    “Government could not help us to solve problems, government is a problem”. Ronald Reagan

    “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it”. – Ronald Reagan
    “Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint”. Alexander Hamilton
    “The invisible hand of the market always moves faster and better than the heavy hand of government”. Mitt Romney

    “Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers”. Ron Paul
    “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other”. Ronald Reagan

    “It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach”.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    “In the general course of human nature, A power over a man’s subsistence amounts to a power over his will”. Alexander Hamilton

    “There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread.” – Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

    “It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first”. Ronald Reagan
    “Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation”. Henry A. Kissinger

    Dearest – the market competition that we are witnessing today is like an athletic race: some citizens, well fed and accessing health and education systems are far ahead; most of the others are left unjustly behind: the fair and decent minimum that can be done is to put them all on the same line of departure, giving equal opportunities at the beginning.
    Workers need to eat and to have access to health and education systems, so that their labor does not get destroyed – it does not make sense to embed this in their salary, because the hunger of people is not a market variable, but a biological need
    “Excessive inequality is corrosive to growth; it is corrosive to society. I believe that the economics profession and the policy community have downplayed inequality for too long.” Christine Lagarde, International Monetary Fund managing director

    “Criminality, for example, can be reduced basically in two ways: with preventive investment in education or with the reinforcement of police surveillance on the streets. I estimate that the option for education costs about a tenth of the expenses with security.”
    “Each dollar spent on the education of a person means that they will produce something like 10 cents more per year along their whole life. There is no better investment.” – James Heckman, Nobel Prize winner in Economy in the year 2000

    “A State divided into a small number of rich and a large number of poor will always develop a government manipulated by the rich to protect the amenities represented by their property.” – Harold Laski – British political theorist (1893-1950)
    “There is nothing wrong with describing Conservatism as protecting the Constitution, protecting all things that limit government. Government is the enemy of liberty. Government should be very restrained”. Ron Paul

    “When you notice that, in order to produce, you must be authorized by someone who produces nothing; when you confirm that money flows to those who negotiate with favor, not with goods; when you notice that many get rich with bribery and influence, more than with work, and that the laws do not protect us from them, but, on the contrary, it is them who are protected from us; when you find that corruption is rewarded and that honesty becomes self-sacrifice; then you can say, with no fear of error, that your society is doomed.” Alissa Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) – 1905-1982
    “It would be naive to think that the problems plaguing mankind today can be solved with means and methods which were applied or seemed to work in the past”. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
    When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.” Adrian Rogers, 1931

    Job-generation is not a task for the State, which produces only lesser jobs. It is private initiative that creates productive employment.

    “We will practice charity when we could not impose justice”. Because it is not charity that we need. Justice reaches the causes of the problem; charity mitigates its effects” Victor Hugo

    With Smith I learned the importance of the “invisible hand”, that today is called market – individuals acting on their own interests – and it is always the individual interest that prevails – without governmental interference – as a superior model for human coexistence.

    I have learned from Marx that the workforce must not suffer wear – “The worker sells his labor to keep it unscathed, except for the natural wear, but not to have it destroyed.”
    I Learned with Joan Robinson that the market economy makes what is profitable and not what is needed

    I Learned with Mises and Hayek that nothing beats the power of the spontaneous organization of the market price mechanisms.

    “The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were”. John F. Kennedy
    A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. John F. Kennedy

    “The best road to progress is freedom’s road”. – John F. Kennedy

    But in a new social pact where nutrition, health and education became private responsibilities in the productive process, the Government would proportionately reduce taxation and its interference in the economy. Instead of transferring resources from rich to poor, society would provide equal opportunities for nutrition, health and education. This is not philanthropy, but a new concept of human labor as a transformation process of human energy into physical or intellectual power. It will replace the changing logic of ideas – ideology – with the invariable logic of life – biology
    The complete liberation of prices and salaries will result, inexorably, in full productive employment. Only with full employment we will do without State supervision – the invisible hand acts inexorably!!! Certainly, businessmen will not act philanthropically only: full productive employment will be the guarantor of this agreement of wills – the dynamics of the economy will lead to full employment, where government supervision will no longer be required
    “The happiness of society is the end of government”. John Adams

    The comments below are from the experienced, realist and competent american thinker Gary North, who also believes that Keynesianism keeps dominating the political scene by default, for lack of an alternative.
    “Without hope of deliverance, the voters lose confidence in politics as a means of healing. This is the central religion of our era. This trust is waning. The Keynesian system holds on power by default. There is no widely shared faith in what can be substituted and how”.
    “Austrians have simple solutions: “Let the free market alone.” “Less government is better.” “Lower taxes increase liberty.” “Trust gold, not bankers.” These were basic themes in the late 18th century. They were basic themes of classical liberalism in the 19th century. They are not untried concepts. They made the West rich when they were honored”
    “The only way we can make it better is to reduce the power and privilege of the groups, and this means passing laws against existing laws. This means replacing centralized planning, in its various forms, with the planning imposed by the free market”
    “There is no simple solution to this, other than to persuade people that when a crisis occurs, the proper response is to shrink the government, not expand it. People generally do not want to hear this in a crisis. But if the crisis is based on the fact that the government has run out of sound money, they are going to have to listen to it”.
    “The tools of victory which previous leaders have invoked to solve the problem, namely, a strengthening of the central government, an increase of taxation, and a forced lowering of interest rates, are exactly the policies that got us into the problem we are in. So, the proposed reforms are simply more of the same”.
    So far – Gary North

    “All truths go through three stages. First they are ridiculed. Secondly, they face violent opposition. Finally, they are accepted as evident” – Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), – german philosopher
    “People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.” – Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
    “the purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” Joan Robinson

    “Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do” – Goethe
    Force is the weapon of the incompetent, whereas intelligence is the instrument of the sensible. Force will never transform anything that intelligence cannot transform.
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis”.
    Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
    I would feel glad if these thoughts lead readers at least to the diagnosis of the trouble we are in – recognizing mistakes is a decisive step to search for solutions.
    1. the free market, though highly desirable, is impossible to be practiced without a new social pact
    2. Offering equal opportunities for nutrition, health care and education is a “sine qua non” condition to make possible the market economy – these goods and services are attached to survival and progress, do not depend on human will, are non- cumulative and are interdependent.
    3. There is no conflict between the market economy and equal opportunities – on the contrary, it is only with equal opportunities that the free market can operate completely

    “Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience normally recognize the voice of justice as well”. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
    “The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” – Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” – Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” – Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
    “It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.” – Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    “Sometimes it is not enough that we do our best; we must do what is required.” – Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

    “I’m a lover of my own liberty, and so I would do nothing to restrict yours.” Mahatma Gandhi – (1869-1948)
    “The only tyrant I accept in this world is the ‘still small voice’ within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.” – Mahatma Gandhi – (1869-1948)
    Let us celebrate this year with much hope and faith in the endless possibilities that humans have, to find in the future generations the solution to our many problems. Each child coming to this world is a flame of hope and renewal. Have always in mind these teaching from Thomas Aquinas:
    “The first step to wisdom is humility”.
    “For those who have faith, no explanation is necessary. For those without faith, no explanation is possible.”
    , the link below is food for the spirit: enjoy it
    André Rieu – Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (Mary … – YouTube
    Best wishes,
    Ronaldo Campos Carneiro – jan/2013
    RI 4530 DG – 2008-9 – Brasilia – DF – Brasil
    rcarneiro4@gmail.com
    http://rcarneiro4.blogspot.com.br
    De: Urs Herzog [mailto:muu.herzog@bluewin.ch]
    Enviada: domingo, 3 de fevereiro de 2013 08:52
    Para: rcarneiro4@gmail.com
    Assunto: AW: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Dear Rotarian Ronaldo Carneiro

    What an worthful collection of thoughts and ideas from human beings who never gave up und saw that everybody could be able in following a peaceful way of life.

    Best regards

    PDG Urs Herzog
    DRFC D 1980

    De: Richard Fisher [mailto:iam@durbs.com]
    Enviada: domingo, 3 de fevereiro de 2013 11:03
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – Rotarian reflections

    Good day Ronaldo
    Many thanks for your letter with all its quotations. Much food for thought. Indeed, we have many challenges to consider in our Rotary world!
    Kind regards
    Richard
    District Governor 2007-08 D9270 South Africa
    De: Eric Adamson [mailto:eadamson@servtitle.com]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 15:13
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Thank you, Ronaldo, for these quotes and thoughts…very interesting and often inspiring..

    Eric E. Adamson
    Past R.I. Vice President, 2009-10
    19 Walnut Drive
    Front Royal, Virginia 22630
    540-635-7166 (0)
    540-635-4700 (h)
    540-671-6898 (c)

    De: Bob Scott [mailto:bobscott@eagle.ca]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 14:12
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Thank you for sending me these many quotes

    Bob
    De: Petr Jan Pajas [mailto:petr.pajas@pasos.org]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 13:40
    Para: Ronaldo Carneiro
    Assunto: Re: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Dear PDG Ronaldo Carneiro,

    tahnk you for a lot of citations, which are inspiring.

    Please notice a change in my e-mails

    All the best

    Petr Jan Pajas
    PDG 2007-8
    D2240
    RC Praha City
    mobile: +420 603 450 802
    petr.pajas@rotary2240.org
    Raffaele Pallotta paraffae@gmail.com
    4/2/2013

    Dear Ronaldo,
    Thank you for your letter and the valuable quotations.
    We make Rotary a concrete part of our lives for others.
    Yours sincerely
    Raffaele Pallotta of Acquapendente (RIPD)

    De: Walter Müller [mailto:wmueller@solnet.ch]
    Enviada em: sábado, 9 de fevereiro de 2013 08:48
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: AW: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Dear Ronaldo
    Thank you fort he interesting summary of your favored people, who did excellent contributions to mankind. Andre Rieux is an outstanding personality, too. His contributions are in a other manner, than those people citated in your text. Rieux is giving some hope and cheerfulness to everybody, That is very necessary as well.
    Best wishes from Switzerland,
    Walter
    Walter Müller
    Gerberacherweg 21
    8820 Wädenswil
    Tel. 044 680 46 71
    walter.mueller@solnet.ch

    De: Charles Keller [mailto:Charles.Keller@PeacockKeller.Com]
    Enviada em: quarta-feira, 13 de fevereiro de 2013 12:37
    Para: Ronaldo Carneiro
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Ronaldo…Thank you for your thoughtful message. It causes me to exercise my brain, and my conscience… Charles C. Keller, PPRIP 1987-8
    De: Jerry Hall [mailto:jhallreno@sbcglobal.net]
    Enviada em: quarta-feira, 13 de fevereiro de 2013 10:56
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – new year reflections

    Dear Ronaldo:
    We have received your well wishes from Christmas and are honored that you remember us. Knowing you now have grandchildren makes Tasha and I happy and a bit envious. Our son is now married but since he and his wife were married when they were in their mid-forties they have chosen not to have children. We enjoy our new daughter-in-law very much – she is a school teacher and a nice woman so we are understandably happy for our son.
    We are well and enjoying life at home. I am retired but still very active serving on local commissions as a volunteer. I also do a lot of Rotary work and am now working on a project in Africa…we have visited Uganda once and likely will do so again as part of the current project.
    I am not quite the political student you are but enjoyed reading your quotes and observations in your message when we received it weeks ago. Government and the economy are still in turmoil here in the US as you know and our national congressional officials have made governing very difficult. Our state has had more than its share of difficulty with the economy – home values have plummeted, there are many without jobs and much of what people took for granted in the past are now things that may never return to their former state or condition. Since I am retired the impact on our lives is not as significant as others so we are very thankful.
    We think about you often and whenever we reminisce about our friends in Brazil you are always in our thoughts. I hope someday we will be together again. We enjoyed your company and Tasha still makes some of the microwave dishes she learned from Ivani.
    Please give our best wishes to Erica and congratulate her on her family…we would like to see the children some day!
    Love from Reno,
    Jerry and Tasha
    De: Adam Smith Institute [mailto:info@adamsmith.org]
    Enviada em: quinta-feira, 14 de fevereiro de 2013 09:01
    Para: ronaldo carneiro
    Assunto: Re: Contact us enquiry : ronaldo carneiro

    Thank you for your list of quotes. An inspiring collection indeed!

    Best wishes,
    ASI

    De: wls@pldtdsl.net [mailto:wls@pldtdsl.net]
    Enviada em: quinta-feira, 14 de fevereiro de 2013 04:21
    Para: Ronaldo Carneiro
    Assunto: Re: Happy 2013 – new year reflections

    Hello Sir Ronaldo,
    Thank you for sending me your research. It is a good collection of profound philosophcal thoughts about socialism nd capitalism, the extremes of economic regulation. Somewhere in the middle we hope to find a happy balance which will enhance the lives of the poor.
    My kind regards and greetings for the new year!
    Wilfredo Segovia

    De: Joachim Reuter [mailto:joachimreuter@arcor.de]
    Enviada em: sexta-feira, 15 de fevereiro de 2013 13:48
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: AW: Happy 2013 – new year reflections

    Dear Ronaldo,

    Very happy New Year to you! And thank you for the reflections. But let us begin with and within ourself.
    Kindest regards,
    Joachim
    De: guy chaumont [mailto:guy.chaumont@sfr.fr]
    Enviada em: sexta-feira, 22 de fevereiro de 2013 13:10
    Para: Ronaldo Carneiro
    Assunto: your letter 14th february 2013

    Dear Ronaldo Carneiro,

    I thank you very much for your letter with a lot of celebrated men citations. Now i could end my speech with a maxim from your letter!

    Kind regards

    Guy Chaumont PDG D1700
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    Jeff Deist 10 de maio de 2014 13:54
    Para: Ronaldo campos carneiro
    Hello Ronaldo, thank you for the articles. Hope to visit Mises Brazil in 2015.
    Jeff

    Jeff Deist
    President
    JeffDeist@mises.org
    334.321.2121
    518 West Magnolia Avenue
    Auburn, AL 36832

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    Dear

    “Learn all theories and dominate all techniques, but when touching a human soul be just another human soul”. Carl Gustav Jung.

    With this thought by a man who saw so clearly through the window of the human soul – I start this message for the renewal of hope at the beginning of 2013, addressing it to friends and acquaintances who are responsible leaders and scholars, some of whom I have not met yet, but admire after having read their writings. This message comes a little late, because vacations with grandchildren and the family are always a priority. But I think that the moments of meditation remain at the beginning of each year.
    “Rotary will continue to be charitable, but it can do more than that. Let us make Rotary exterminate the cause that makes charity necessary”. This pearl of thinking by our founder Paul Harris was published in “The Rotarian” magazine of August 1916.

    This time I looked for help, in references from world leaders and thinkers, to profit from their rich experiences, so as to enrich this text of reflections at the beginning of the New Year. It is always useful to remember the sensible message of:
    Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274): “Beware of the person of one book”.
    “Copy from one, it’s plagiarism; copy from two, it’s research.” – Wilson Mizner (1876-1933)
    “The most valuable of all talents is never using two words when one will do.” – Thomas Jefferson
    “Great scholars are skeptics” – Friedrich Nietzsche
    “Fanaticism is the only form or willpower available to the weak” – Friedrich Nietzsche
    ”Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. And man can be as big as he wants. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings”. John F. Kennedy

    Since a young age I was fascinated by the market economy – a system where the producer, isolated, does not take part in the evaluation of his product – it is the forces of supply and demand that will determine the value-price. This ethics, which exists also in the law of cause and effect for human activity, is self-applicable
    “Smith did make one claim that, in his day, was the most important claim that he made. It laid the foundation of modern economic theory. He claimed that the free market system is autonomous. It would exist apart from legislation by the state. He called this “the system of natural liberty.” He described how the free market would work if the state did not intervene to pass special-interest legislation that benefited one group or another. What Rousseau claimed for the General Will, Smith claimed for the free market. But Rousseau’s General Will needed a representative institution to express itself. Smith’s theory of the free market was its own interpreter. Gary North
    So, the market economy is something magical, that must be pursued in an obstinate way – it was devalued, however, by a system that does not offer equal opportunities for all.
    Let us see how we can rescue it.
    We can find in Thomas Aquinas – XIII century – the seeds of the free market. One of the main representatives of scholastics (medieval philosophical line with a Christian foundation), he founded the thomist school of philosophy and theology, which thrived at the university of Salamanca in the XVI century.
    “The value of an article, does not depend on its essential nature but on the estimation of men, even if that estimation is foolish.” – Variarum (1554) – Diego de Covarrubias y Leiva (1512-1577) – bishop of Segovia
    In the XVII century William Petty (1623-1687), the father of classical economic analysis, wrote two essays that revolutionized economic thought in his time: a “Treaty on Taxes and Contributions”, in 1662 and “Political Arithmetics”, in 1690.
    All of this orchestra of contributions was beautifully condensed in the works of Adam Smith, who marked the conscience, the soul and the heart of his generation and subsequent ones. The ethics contained in the entrails of the free market is the real reason that drives me to passionately defend the free market economy.

    “Since time immemorial two political systems have confronted one another and both have good arguments to support them” “According to one, the state has to do a great deal, but it also has to take a great deal. According to the other, its twin action should be little felt. A choice has to be made between these two systems.” – nineteenth-century economist, Frédéric Bastiat
    “The issue is always the same: the government or the market. There is no third solution” – “Economics deals with real man, weak and subject to error as he is, not with ideal beings omniscient and perfect as only gods could be”. Von Mises

    “Neoliberalism appears to be little more than a justification for plutocracy” “What they call “the market” looks more like the interests of corporations and the ultra-rich”. “It strikes me that the entire structure of neoliberal thought is a fraud. The demands of the ultra-rich have been dressed up as sophisticated economic theory and applied regardless of the outcome. The complete failure of this world-scale experiment is no impediment to its repetition. This has nothing to do with economics. It has everything to do with power”. George Monbiot
    ”Socialism and middle-way economic interventionism by the state produce poverty and bureaucracy. If your goal is to keep poor people poor, generation after generation, you should promote socialism. But be sure to call it economic democracy in order to fool the voters”. Gary North
    “The market is not an invention of capitalism. It has existed for centuries. It is an invention of civilization”. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “We must understand that capitalism was created to deal with money, not with human beings”. Maxwell Vitor
    “Capitalism is a banquet in which only the bones are left for the poor”. Pierre de souza
    “Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the belief in ignorance and the preaching of envy. Its inherent flaw is the egalitarian distribution of misery”. Winston Churchill
    “Rich peasants have a strong propension to capitalism”. Mao Tse-Tung
    “The market does not have a conscience or mercy”. Octavio Paz, mexican poet Nobel Prize in literature, 1990
    “The market came with the dawn of civilization and it is not an invention of capitalism. If it leads to improving the well-being of the people there is no contradiction with socialism. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “We are evolving to socialism, a system which, as they say, only works in Heaven, where it is not needed, and in Hell, where it already exists”. Ronald Reagan

    ”All hope abandon, ye who enter here”!(at Hell´s door) Lasciate ogni speranza voi che entrate! Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
    “The disadvantage of capitalism is the unequal distribution of riches; the advantage of socialism is the equal distribution of miseries”. Winston Churchill

    “There is no greatness where there is no simplicity, goodness and truth”– Leon Tolstoi.
    “For a world in which we are socially equal, humanly different and totally free”. Rosa Luxemburgo

    ”Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration”. Abraham Lincoln
    This truth must be rescued by all the zombies who are wandering, lost and disconnected from the basic concepts of economy.
    “Everything the Communists told us about communism was a complete and utter lie. Unfortunately, everything the Communists told us about capitalism turned out to be true”. – World Bank staffer John Nellis

    Capitalism and socialism were bitter medicines in the history of mankind, and they are no longer valid, nowadays
    “Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man. Socialism is the opposite of it”. Millôr Fernandes
    Government is an institution that invariably spends more than it collects, either because of the high social demand in societies with concentrated income, or because of a perverse desire to feed the military might in rich societies.
    Government is an institution economically impractical, because its revenues and expenditures shall be determined by acts of human will. Economics is a science whose techniques are valid and applicable when the will of economic agents is limited by the natural law of supply and demand
    “A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.” – Dwight D. Eisenhower (1890-1969), Inaugural Address, January 20, 1953

    The real need for government intervention is in the fact that 3 sectors: agriculture, health and education cannot walk alone – The government needs to pump resources into these 3 sectors – something necessary, even if inefficient. Under the current rules, the reduction of government intervention in the economy would considerably increase the distance between poor and rich.
    The complexity of modern societies cannot be managed by central planners. The so-called democratic centralism is pure sophistry, that appeals only to autocratic rulers.
    Whatever the concept that one may have of democracy, the fate of citizens cannot depend on the virtue of their rulers.

    Dictatorships or strong regimes are defended only by those who would like to be lashing the whip; whenever placed on the other side, they will stand for democracy emphatically.

    “The State is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everyone else.” Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)
    “The problem has been developing for many years: a sort of economic alcoholism in which society has depended upon government to solve all its problems. Governments have promised to do away with unemployment, to eradicate poverty, to mitigate the pain of old age and sickness, even to ease the consequences of banking and business mistakes. Such irresistible promises! It was exactly what everyone wanted. We became economic alcoholics, dependent on government, and have had no concept of who will pay the price for this happy addiction.” Von Mises – (from a speech at Athens College in 1984)
    “There is only one kind of freedom and that’s individual liberty. Our lives come from our creator and our liberty comes from our creator. It has nothing to do with government granting it”. Ron Paul

    “Don’t forget what I discovered that over ninety percent of all national deficits from 1921 to 1939 were caused by payments for past, present, and future wars”. Franklin D. Roosevelt
    “People do not make wars; governments do”. Ronald Reagan

    “Government always finds a need for whatever money it gets”. Ronald Reagan

    “No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we’ll ever see on this earth!” Ronald Reagan

    “Of all the enemies of public liberty, war is perhaps the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies. From these proceed debts and taxes. And armies, debts and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the dominion of the few…. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare”. James Madison, the principal architect of the U.S. Constitution – 1795

    “We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can’t have both.” – Louis Brandeis – U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1856-1941)
    “Democracy does not guarantee equality of conditions – it only guarantees equality of opportunity.” – Irving Kristol

    “We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added”.
    Ronald Reagan
    “My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government”. Thomas Jefferson

    “Government could not help us to solve problems, government is a problem”. Ronald Reagan

    “Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it”. – Ronald Reagan
    “Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of man will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice without constraint”. Alexander Hamilton
    “The invisible hand of the market always moves faster and better than the heavy hand of government”. Mitt Romney

    “Deficits mean future tax increases, pure and simple. Deficit spending should be viewed as a tax on future generations, and politicians who create deficits should be exposed as tax hikers”. Ron Paul
    “Government is like a baby. An alimentary canal with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other”. Ronald Reagan

    “It is an unfortunate human failing that a full pocketbook often groans more loudly than an empty stomach”.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt
    “In the general course of human nature, A power over a man’s subsistence amounts to a power over his will”. Alexander Hamilton

    “There are people in the world so hungry, that God cannot appear to them except in the form of bread.” – Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948)

    “It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first”. Ronald Reagan
    “Ninety percent of the politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation”. Henry A. Kissinger

    Dearest – the market competition that we are witnessing today is like an athletic race: some citizens, well fed and accessing health and education systems are far ahead; most of the others are left unjustly behind: the fair and decent minimum that can be done is to put them all on the same line of departure, giving equal opportunities at the beginning.
    Workers need to eat and to have access to health and education systems, so that their labor does not get destroyed – it does not make sense to embed this in their salary, because the hunger of people is not a market variable, but a biological need
    “Excessive inequality is corrosive to growth; it is corrosive to society. I believe that the economics profession and the policy community have downplayed inequality for too long.” Christine Lagarde, International Monetary Fund managing director

    “Criminality, for example, can be reduced basically in two ways: with preventive investment in education or with the reinforcement of police surveillance on the streets. I estimate that the option for education costs about a tenth of the expenses with security.”
    “Each dollar spent on the education of a person means that they will produce something like 10 cents more per year along their whole life. There is no better investment.” – James Heckman, Nobel Prize winner in Economy in the year 2000

    “A State divided into a small number of rich and a large number of poor will always develop a government manipulated by the rich to protect the amenities represented by their property.” – Harold Laski – British political theorist (1893-1950)
    “There is nothing wrong with describing Conservatism as protecting the Constitution, protecting all things that limit government. Government is the enemy of liberty. Government should be very restrained”. Ron Paul

    “When you notice that, in order to produce, you must be authorized by someone who produces nothing; when you confirm that money flows to those who negotiate with favor, not with goods; when you notice that many get rich with bribery and influence, more than with work, and that the laws do not protect us from them, but, on the contrary, it is them who are protected from us; when you find that corruption is rewarded and that honesty becomes self-sacrifice; then you can say, with no fear of error, that your society is doomed.” Alissa Rosenbaum (Ayn Rand) – 1905-1982
    “It would be naive to think that the problems plaguing mankind today can be solved with means and methods which were applied or seemed to work in the past”. Mikhail Gorbachov

    “You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
    When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.” Adrian Rogers, 1931

    Job-generation is not a task for the State, which produces only lesser jobs. It is private initiative that creates productive employment.

    “We will practice charity when we could not impose justice”. Because it is not charity that we need. Justice reaches the causes of the problem; charity mitigates its effects” Victor Hugo

    With Smith I learned the importance of the “invisible hand”, that today is called market – individuals acting on their own interests – and it is always the individual interest that prevails – without governmental interference – as a superior model for human coexistence.

    I have learned from Marx that the workforce must not suffer wear – “The worker sells his labor to keep it unscathed, except for the natural wear, but not to have it destroyed.”
    I Learned with Joan Robinson that the market economy makes what is profitable and not what is needed

    I Learned with Mises and Hayek that nothing beats the power of the spontaneous organization of the market price mechanisms.

    “The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were”. John F. Kennedy
    A man may die, nations may rise and fall, but an idea lives on. John F. Kennedy

    “The best road to progress is freedom’s road”. – John F. Kennedy

    But in a new social pact where nutrition, health and education became private responsibilities in the productive process, the Government would proportionately reduce taxation and its interference in the economy. Instead of transferring resources from rich to poor, society would provide equal opportunities for nutrition, health and education. This is not philanthropy, but a new concept of human labor as a transformation process of human energy into physical or intellectual power. It will replace the changing logic of ideas – ideology – with the invariable logic of life – biology
    The complete liberation of prices and salaries will result, inexorably, in full productive employment. Only with full employment we will do without State supervision – the invisible hand acts inexorably!!! Certainly, businessmen will not act philanthropically only: full productive employment will be the guarantor of this agreement of wills – the dynamics of the economy will lead to full employment, where government supervision will no longer be required
    “The happiness of society is the end of government”. John Adams

    The comments below are from the experienced, realist and competent american thinker Gary North, who also believes that Keynesianism keeps dominating the political scene by default, for lack of an alternative.
    “Without hope of deliverance, the voters lose confidence in politics as a means of healing. This is the central religion of our era. This trust is waning. The Keynesian system holds on power by default. There is no widely shared faith in what can be substituted and how”.
    “Austrians have simple solutions: “Let the free market alone.” “Less government is better.” “Lower taxes increase liberty.” “Trust gold, not bankers.” These were basic themes in the late 18th century. They were basic themes of classical liberalism in the 19th century. They are not untried concepts. They made the West rich when they were honored”
    “The only way we can make it better is to reduce the power and privilege of the groups, and this means passing laws against existing laws. This means replacing centralized planning, in its various forms, with the planning imposed by the free market”
    “There is no simple solution to this, other than to persuade people that when a crisis occurs, the proper response is to shrink the government, not expand it. People generally do not want to hear this in a crisis. But if the crisis is based on the fact that the government has run out of sound money, they are going to have to listen to it”.
    “The tools of victory which previous leaders have invoked to solve the problem, namely, a strengthening of the central government, an increase of taxation, and a forced lowering of interest rates, are exactly the policies that got us into the problem we are in. So, the proposed reforms are simply more of the same”.
    So far – Gary North

    “All truths go through three stages. First they are ridiculed. Secondly, they face violent opposition. Finally, they are accepted as evident” – Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860), – german philosopher
    “People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid.” – Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
    “the purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” Joan Robinson

    “Knowing is not enough; we must apply. Willing is not enough; we must do” – Goethe
    Force is the weapon of the incompetent, whereas intelligence is the instrument of the sensible. Force will never transform anything that intelligence cannot transform.
    “The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis”.
    Dante Alighieri (1265-1321)
    I would feel glad if these thoughts lead readers at least to the diagnosis of the trouble we are in – recognizing mistakes is a decisive step to search for solutions.
    1. the free market, though highly desirable, is impossible to be practiced without a new social pact
    2. Offering equal opportunities for nutrition, health care and education is a “sine qua non” condition to make possible the market economy – these goods and services are attached to survival and progress, do not depend on human will, are non- cumulative and are interdependent.
    3. There is no conflict between the market economy and equal opportunities – on the contrary, it is only with equal opportunities that the free market can operate completely

    “Those who clearly recognize the voice of their own conscience normally recognize the voice of justice as well”. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
    “The fundamental cause of trouble in the world is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” – Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” – Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” – Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
    “In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.” – Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)
    “It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.” – Albert Einstein (1879-1955)
    “Sometimes it is not enough that we do our best; we must do what is required.” – Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)

    “I’m a lover of my own liberty, and so I would do nothing to restrict yours.” Mahatma Gandhi – (1869-1948)
    “The only tyrant I accept in this world is the ‘still small voice’ within me. And even though I have to face the prospect of being a minority of one, I humbly believe I have the courage to be in such a hopeless minority.” – Mahatma Gandhi – (1869-1948)
    Let us celebrate this year with much hope and faith in the endless possibilities that humans have, to find in the future generations the solution to our many problems. Each child coming to this world is a flame of hope and renewal. Have always in mind these teaching from Thomas Aquinas:
    “The first step to wisdom is humility”.
    “For those who have faith, no explanation is necessary. For those without faith, no explanation is possible.”
    , the link below is food for the spirit: enjoy it
    André Rieu – Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious (Mary … – YouTube
    Best wishes,
    Ronaldo Campos Carneiro – jan/2013
    RI 4530 DG – 2008-9 – Brasilia – DF – Brasil
    rcarneiro4@gmail.com
    http://ronaldocarneiro.wordpress.com
    http://rcarneiro4.blogspot.com.br
    De: Urs Herzog [mailto:muu.herzog@bluewin.ch]
    Enviada: domingo, 3 de fevereiro de 2013 08:52
    Para: rcarneiro4@gmail.com
    Assunto: AW: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Dear Rotarian Ronaldo Carneiro

    What an worthful collection of thoughts and ideas from human beings who never gave up und saw that everybody could be able in following a peaceful way of life.

    Best regards

    PDG Urs Herzog
    DRFC D 1980

    De: Richard Fisher [mailto:iam@durbs.com]
    Enviada: domingo, 3 de fevereiro de 2013 11:03
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – Rotarian reflections

    Good day Ronaldo
    Many thanks for your letter with all its quotations. Much food for thought. Indeed, we have many challenges to consider in our Rotary world!
    Kind regards
    Richard
    District Governor 2007-08 D9270 South Africa
    De: Eric Adamson [mailto:eadamson@servtitle.com]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 15:13
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Thank you, Ronaldo, for these quotes and thoughts…very interesting and often inspiring..

    Eric E. Adamson
    Past R.I. Vice President, 2009-10
    19 Walnut Drive
    Front Royal, Virginia 22630
    540-635-7166 (0)
    540-635-4700 (h)
    540-671-6898 (c)

    De: Bob Scott [mailto:bobscott@eagle.ca]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 14:12
    Para: ‘Ronaldo Carneiro’
    Assunto: RE: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Thank you for sending me these many quotes

    Bob
    De: Petr Jan Pajas [mailto:petr.pajas@pasos.org]
    Enviada: segunda-feira, 4 de fevereiro de 2013 13:40
    Para: Ronaldo Carneiro
    Assunto: Re: Happy 2013 – rotarian reflections

    Dear PDG Ronaldo Carneiro,

    tahnk you for a lot of citations, which are inspiring.

    Please notice a change in my e-mails

    All the best

    Petr Jan Pajas
    PDG 2007-8
    D2240
    RC Praha City
    mobile: +420 603 450 802
    petr.pajas@rotary2240.org
    Raffaele Pallotta paraffae@gmail.com
    4/2/2013

    Dear Ronaldo,
    Thank you for your letter and the valuable quotations.
    We make Rotary a concrete part of our lives for others.
    Yours sincerely
    Raffaele Pallotta of Acquapendente (RIPD)
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    george@monbiot.info; George Monbiot
    Subject: Ideas that worked along the time – 16/05/2014
    Hi Ronaldo,
    Many thanks for this.
    All good wishes,
    George

    The Shooting Party
    Posted: 28 Apr 2014 12:07 PM PDT
    Let me underline your great statement: “As the food queues lengthen, the government is giving our money to the super-rich”.

    From: David Bollier
    Date: 2014-09-18 10:15 GMT-03:00
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo,

    Thanks for sending along your essays. From a quick browse of them, it appears that they address some central questions of our time. I will give them a read when I find the time in coming weeks. Very interesting quote from the founder of Rotary….but I very much doubt that current-day Rotarians will rally to your challenge because they fear that the organization will be perceived as political (which it will be). But what significant change has ever occurred without engaging with “the political”? Anyway, best of luck in your efforts.

    Best regards,
    David
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    From:
    Date: 2014-09-23 2:51 GMT-03:00
    Subject: Re: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo: I have read your very interesting collection of thoughts and philosophy which you recent emailed.
    To respond to your specific question, I would say “There can be no answer without expanded clarification. The question can only be discussed if you first can describe and clearly identify “The Society” you want to exist and flourish; and secondly, the nature and characteristics of “The State” in which you wish it to exist. Until you can actually and clearly identify both the kind of society and the kind of state the answer will always be — Yes, No, or Maybe.
    That would be my reply.
    Cliff Dochterman

    From: Jaana Woiceshyn
    Date: 2014-09-23 13:57 GMT-03:00
    Subject: RE: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo,

    A civilized society cannot exist without the state; it has a crucial role—and only one role: protecting individual rights. The government’s role is not to “invest” its citizens money in anything, renewable energy included, or to “create” jobs. Please read my book on the role of government in capitalism.

    Best regards,
    Jaana Woiceshyn

    From: Angela Pease-Watkin
    Date: 2014-09-24 13:36 GMT-03:00
    Subject: RE: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo,

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts and work.

    At WDM we believe that democracy is being threatened by the increasing power of corporations and so we must challenge our government to act to protect people rather than corporate profits.

    We’re grateful to have you as part of the movement for global justice. Many thanks for taking action and strengthening our campaigns.

    Best wishes,

    Angela

    Angela Pease-Watkin | Fundraising assistant
    020 7820 4923 | angela.pease-watkin@wdm.org.uk | http://www.wdm.org.uk
    World Development Movement | Justice for the world’s poor
    I work Tuesdays to Fridays. For urgent queries on a Monday please contact andrew.taylor@wdm.org.uk

    From: Schubert OISS-BR
    Date: 2014-09-25 10:37 GMT-03:00
    Subject: RES: Capitalismo e socialismo
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Comp. Ronaldo: estás com a bola toda! Diferentemente, do teu Palmeiras. Parabéns . Teus textos estão agradando gente de prestigio e que pensa !
    Abraços rotários, Schubert

    From: Jeff Deist
    Date: 2014-10-13 11:11 GMT-03:00
    Subject: Re: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Excellent, thank you Ronaldo.
    Jeff

    Date: 2014-10-18 3:20 GMT-03:00
    Subject: Re: Fwd: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo Campos Carneiro,
    Thank you for your words of appreciation and for the writings you sent me: precious meaningful reflections that I certainkly share.
    Sergio Tripi

    From:
    Date: 2014-10-28 8:00 GMT-02:00
    Subject: AW: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: rcarneiro4@gmail.com
    Cc: Daniel.Schraad-Tischler@bertelsmann-stiftung.de

    Dear Ronaldo,
    Many thanks for these interesting texts – we look forward to reading them.
    Best wishes,
    Christian

    Dr. Christian Kroll
    Project Manager
    Programm Nachhaltig Wirtschaften

    Bertelsmann Stiftung
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    From: Joerg Bergstermann
    Date: 2014-10-30 14:06 GMT-02:00
    Subject: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: “carneiro, Ronaldo campos”
    Cc: “Espig, Cindy”

    Hello and thank you very much for the interesting contributions.
    If you wish to receive information on FES-publications more regularly please feel free to sent your contact details to Ms. Cindy Espig (in cc)
    With compliments Jörg Bergstermann
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    From: Bart Frazier
    Date: 2014-11-03 10:13 GMT-02:00
    Subject: Re: Can society exist, and even flourish, without the state?
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Dear Ronaldo,
    I’m afraid that I don’t agree with Mr. Vitor — capitalism was not created to deal with money. It was not created at all. Capitalism is nothing but the spontaneous interactions of individuals, free from the fetters of of the state. Capitalism happens when no other system is forced upon a populace. It is as natural the seasons and gravity.

    Best,
    Bart Frazier
    Program Director
    The Future of Freedom Foundation

    From: George Monbiot
    Date: 2014-11-19 11:37 GMT-02:00
    Subject: RE: Capitalism and socialism
    To: Ronaldo campos carneiro

    Great – many

  3. Dave, what are your thoughts on bitgold.com? Interestingly you can’t create an account if you are US citizen (for now) and I see that Eric Sprotts is backing this company, I’d love to hear from him about this topic if you guys happen to invite him to SoT.

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